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		<title>Comment on A Male Marketer Challenges She-conomy. Who&#8217;s Right? You Decide. by elle</title>
		<link>http://she-conomy.com/2010/07/20/marketing-to-women-male-marketer-vs-female-marketer-you-decide/#comment-1938</link>
		<dc:creator>elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t have time to read the whole post in depth, but believe me I will come back to it!

I did want to make a comment about the point you bring up regarding how &quot;what works in the past isn&#039;t going to work in the future.&quot;  It doesn&#039;t just apply to women (though women definitely have different responses and take different actions based on what they see/hear/read), the old rules of Marketing don&#039;t work in general.

You&#039;re absolutely right about social media and the web changing everything. Companies that still advertise on TV or with elaborate advertising spreads in magazines do it for one of two reasons. Either they have not accepted that jumping into social media and interacting with your customer (as well as keeping tabs about what people are saying about you via social media outlets) is the new marketing and PR campaign OR they are advertising to compete in the world of advertising awards which is a different playing field all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have time to read the whole post in depth, but believe me I will come back to it!</p>
<p>I did want to make a comment about the point you bring up regarding how &#8220;what works in the past isn&#8217;t going to work in the future.&#8221;  It doesn&#8217;t just apply to women (though women definitely have different responses and take different actions based on what they see/hear/read), the old rules of Marketing don&#8217;t work in general.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right about social media and the web changing everything. Companies that still advertise on TV or with elaborate advertising spreads in magazines do it for one of two reasons. Either they have not accepted that jumping into social media and interacting with your customer (as well as keeping tabs about what people are saying about you via social media outlets) is the new marketing and PR campaign OR they are advertising to compete in the world of advertising awards which is a different playing field all together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Advertising Media World Has Changed – FOREVER.   For Marketing To Women, It&#8217;s A Good Thing. by Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously if you are in the marketing industry you should always make sure your clients have what you call &quot;touch points&quot; across the board. I don&#039;t think that the author is saying that Social Media marketing is the only way to go.. It is clearly not.. 

However, Social Media marketing actually has a higher return on investment than any other advertising campaign I have seen for companies with medium to small budgets. The reason being that people in general are ad blind. Ads in magazines, on television, and on websites are all just background noise and one out of a thousand actually get through to the user and turn around a sale. 

Social media is so different that it can not be valued that way. Social media is the old school way of &quot;word of mouth&quot; marketing. It&#039;s nothing new, its just on a different platform. You now need to create real customer relationships the way the barber shop did 20+ years ago. 

This is the natural direction of things.. Its a direct back lash to the digital age of computer generated EVERYTHING.. and I think its a great movement..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously if you are in the marketing industry you should always make sure your clients have what you call &#8220;touch points&#8221; across the board. I don&#8217;t think that the author is saying that Social Media marketing is the only way to go.. It is clearly not.. </p>
<p>However, Social Media marketing actually has a higher return on investment than any other advertising campaign I have seen for companies with medium to small budgets. The reason being that people in general are ad blind. Ads in magazines, on television, and on websites are all just background noise and one out of a thousand actually get through to the user and turn around a sale. </p>
<p>Social media is so different that it can not be valued that way. Social media is the old school way of &#8220;word of mouth&#8221; marketing. It&#8217;s nothing new, its just on a different platform. You now need to create real customer relationships the way the barber shop did 20+ years ago. </p>
<p>This is the natural direction of things.. Its a direct back lash to the digital age of computer generated EVERYTHING.. and I think its a great movement..</p>
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		<title>Comment on MYTH #2: Gender-specific advertising is a waste of marketing dollars. by Cynthia Maniglia</title>
		<link>http://she-conomy.com/2008/04/17/myth-2-gender-specific-advertising-is-a-waste-of-marketing-dollars/#comment-1935</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Maniglia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies, I think we&#039;re missing something ...

How many women out there ask their men to go and buy these things?

Man: &quot;Honey, I&#039;m going to the drug store. Need anything?&quot;
Woman: &quot;Oh, cool - can you pick up a pregnancy test for me?&quot;
Man: &quot;Huh?&quot;
Woman: &quot;Well, remember last month ... when we couldn&#039;t get to the drug store for you ... and ... &quot;
Man: &quot;You mean ... you could be ... What does a pregnancy test thing even look like?&quot;
Woman: &quot;It&#039;s easy to find. Right near the condoms.&quot;
Man: &quot;Yeah, but WHICH ONE should i get? Don&#039;t they have quite a few brands.&quot;
Woman: &quot;Get the one that looks like a car. The silver one ... you know. We saw a commercial for it.&quot;

I don&#039;t know. I think the big deal about this commercial is actually the fact that they&#039;re saying the word &quot;pee.&quot; THAT&#039;S breakthrough in copy, if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies, I think we&#8217;re missing something &#8230;</p>
<p>How many women out there ask their men to go and buy these things?</p>
<p>Man: &#8220;Honey, I&#8217;m going to the drug store. Need anything?&#8221;<br />
Woman: &#8220;Oh, cool &#8211; can you pick up a pregnancy test for me?&#8221;<br />
Man: &#8220;Huh?&#8221;<br />
Woman: &#8220;Well, remember last month &#8230; when we couldn&#8217;t get to the drug store for you &#8230; and &#8230; &#8221;<br />
Man: &#8220;You mean &#8230; you could be &#8230; What does a pregnancy test thing even look like?&#8221;<br />
Woman: &#8220;It&#8217;s easy to find. Right near the condoms.&#8221;<br />
Man: &#8220;Yeah, but WHICH ONE should i get? Don&#8217;t they have quite a few brands.&#8221;<br />
Woman: &#8220;Get the one that looks like a car. The silver one &#8230; you know. We saw a commercial for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. I think the big deal about this commercial is actually the fact that they&#8217;re saying the word &#8220;pee.&#8221; THAT&#8217;S breakthrough in copy, if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Male Marketer Challenges She-conomy. Who&#8217;s Right? You Decide. by Denise Maple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Maple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sell a women&#039;s product in a male-dominated industry (motorcycling). Many men I speak with in motorcycle dealerships lament the fact that they don&#039;t have many women customers and declare that women just aren&#039;t interested.  I know the motorcycle dealerships that give women reasons to return buy plenty! What works for them? A product tailored to them - women-specific apparel; good old-fashioned customer service; a knowledgeable patient staff that will answer their questions; genuine interest in their business; and respect - not ogling or talking down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sell a women&#8217;s product in a male-dominated industry (motorcycling). Many men I speak with in motorcycle dealerships lament the fact that they don&#8217;t have many women customers and declare that women just aren&#8217;t interested.  I know the motorcycle dealerships that give women reasons to return buy plenty! What works for them? A product tailored to them &#8211; women-specific apparel; good old-fashioned customer service; a knowledgeable patient staff that will answer their questions; genuine interest in their business; and respect &#8211; not ogling or talking down.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Male Marketer Challenges She-conomy. Who&#8217;s Right? You Decide. by steve olenski</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve olenski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of things, AKA red flags jump out at me re: Bob&#039;s comments. 

#1. The phrase &#039;analyze it to death&#039;... Sounds like Bob is married and has been for some time. I say this because I have been married for some time and my wife analyzes everything. Ok, so you know that going in re: a campaign... factor it in to any and all decisions. She&#039;s gonna kick the tires many times and they best not deflate...

#2. Re &#039;women simply roll their eyes and buy the stuff anyway&#039;... maybe Bob isn&#039;t married cause I never met a woman that that statement would apply to...

#3. I think Bob is painfully bereft in the world of Social Media. (dont always get to use the word &#039;bereft&#039; LOL) but you nailed it saying &#039;the consumer is in control, loud and clear.&#039;

Finally, as I tend to do, I relate everything to Seinfeld. 

To paraphrase one Elaine Benes as she attempted to &quot;convert&quot; a gay man to straight... 

I will reverse it slightly and put it in this context, speaking from a male marketer&#039;s perspective...

 &quot;Being a man, I only have access to the equipment, what, 30-45 minutes a week, and that&#039;s on a good week. How can I be expected to have the same expertise as people who own this equipment and have access to it 24 hours a day their entire lives?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of things, AKA red flags jump out at me re: Bob&#8217;s comments. </p>
<p>#1. The phrase &#8216;analyze it to death&#8217;&#8230; Sounds like Bob is married and has been for some time. I say this because I have been married for some time and my wife analyzes everything. Ok, so you know that going in re: a campaign&#8230; factor it in to any and all decisions. She&#8217;s gonna kick the tires many times and they best not deflate&#8230;</p>
<p>#2. Re &#8216;women simply roll their eyes and buy the stuff anyway&#8217;&#8230; maybe Bob isn&#8217;t married cause I never met a woman that that statement would apply to&#8230;</p>
<p>#3. I think Bob is painfully bereft in the world of Social Media. (dont always get to use the word &#8216;bereft&#8217; LOL) but you nailed it saying &#8216;the consumer is in control, loud and clear.&#8217;</p>
<p>Finally, as I tend to do, I relate everything to Seinfeld. </p>
<p>To paraphrase one Elaine Benes as she attempted to &#8220;convert&#8221; a gay man to straight&#8230; </p>
<p>I will reverse it slightly and put it in this context, speaking from a male marketer&#8217;s perspective&#8230;</p>
<p> &#8220;Being a man, I only have access to the equipment, what, 30-45 minutes a week, and that&#8217;s on a good week. How can I be expected to have the same expertise as people who own this equipment and have access to it 24 hours a day their entire lives?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Male Marketer Challenges She-conomy. Who&#8217;s Right? You Decide. by Holly Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://she-conomy.com/2010/07/20/marketing-to-women-male-marketer-vs-female-marketer-you-decide/#comment-1927</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting discussion - thanks for sharing it with us.

I&#039;m with you Stephanie.

But I do want to bring up one other point for advertising folks (rather than consumers).   

Tom Jordan, author of Re-Render the Gender calls himself a &quot;reformed sinner&quot; .   He gives presentations and ptiches where he has pictures of himself winning awards at Cannes and examples of ad campaigns similar to the ones &quot;Bob&quot; talks about.   But he did research and found out many of the award winning campaigns aimed at women actually turned them off.

Tom&#039;s agency now gets business because he ptiches AGAINST the very attitude Bob talks about.   

Brands are getting smarter about their creative thanks to great research and education from folks like Stephanie Holland and Mary Lou Quinlan.   

As the ad culture shifts from winning awards to proving ROI - my money is on the brands who do a good job advertising to women vs. those who don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting discussion &#8211; thanks for sharing it with us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you Stephanie.</p>
<p>But I do want to bring up one other point for advertising folks (rather than consumers).   </p>
<p>Tom Jordan, author of Re-Render the Gender calls himself a &#8220;reformed sinner&#8221; .   He gives presentations and ptiches where he has pictures of himself winning awards at Cannes and examples of ad campaigns similar to the ones &#8220;Bob&#8221; talks about.   But he did research and found out many of the award winning campaigns aimed at women actually turned them off.</p>
<p>Tom&#8217;s agency now gets business because he ptiches AGAINST the very attitude Bob talks about.   </p>
<p>Brands are getting smarter about their creative thanks to great research and education from folks like Stephanie Holland and Mary Lou Quinlan.   </p>
<p>As the ad culture shifts from winning awards to proving ROI &#8211; my money is on the brands who do a good job advertising to women vs. those who don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If You Want Women to Hear You, Sound Optimistic by Share</title>
		<link>http://she-conomy.com/2009/01/12/if-you-want-women-to-hear-you-sound-optimistic/#comment-1926</link>
		<dc:creator>Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 06:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean Winters is hot as MAYHEM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean Winters is hot as MAYHEM!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Services by Molly MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your site was very helpful in putting together some stats for a presentation to our management.  Interestingly enough the previous post from is from my friend and colleague Jill . . . . maybe we could share the expense of bringing you in as a speaker.

Do you know Fara Warner, author of The Power of the Purse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your site was very helpful in putting together some stats for a presentation to our management.  Interestingly enough the previous post from is from my friend and colleague Jill . . . . maybe we could share the expense of bringing you in as a speaker.</p>
<p>Do you know Fara Warner, author of The Power of the Purse?</p>
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		<title>Comment on MARKETING TO WOMEN QUICK FACTS by Apple, I MATTER TOO. &#124; Mushroom Printing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple, I MATTER TOO. &#124; Mushroom Printing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you not making a sparkly pink version and calling it ‘the L-Phone’, but we account for 85% of all consumer purchases and are only 43% of your customer base. Your gadget is super cool, but your math skills seem to be [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on A Male Marketer Challenges She-conomy. Who&#8217;s Right? You Decide. by Rick Henkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Henkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob&#039;s statement that &quot;women simply roll their eyes and buy the stuff anyway,&quot; tells me that he&#039;s missing the bigger picture. To me, it sounds as if he&#039;s saying that women are going to investigate and research anyway, so the fact that your advertising is crappy, doesn&#039;t really matter as long as your product or service is excellent.  In that case, let&#039;s sell everything in plain brown wrappers and let the customers sort it out.

Why would any marketer want to make his customers have to think and work before purchasing his product or service? Granted, some people will always do that, but isn&#039;t it our job is to make life easier for our customers, not just add to the &quot;noise?&quot; 

The saving grace to me in what Bob has to say, is that my job becomes a lot easier, because if most male marketers think like him, I&#039;ll have a lot less competition marketing to women.

Great post, Stephanie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob&#8217;s statement that &#8220;women simply roll their eyes and buy the stuff anyway,&#8221; tells me that he&#8217;s missing the bigger picture. To me, it sounds as if he&#8217;s saying that women are going to investigate and research anyway, so the fact that your advertising is crappy, doesn&#8217;t really matter as long as your product or service is excellent.  In that case, let&#8217;s sell everything in plain brown wrappers and let the customers sort it out.</p>
<p>Why would any marketer want to make his customers have to think and work before purchasing his product or service? Granted, some people will always do that, but isn&#8217;t it our job is to make life easier for our customers, not just add to the &#8220;noise?&#8221; </p>
<p>The saving grace to me in what Bob has to say, is that my job becomes a lot easier, because if most male marketers think like him, I&#8217;ll have a lot less competition marketing to women.</p>
<p>Great post, Stephanie.</p>
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